[captncoala]

Hijacked? No. He used the one method that is accepted the world over, cash incentive. We live in a capitalist world where the cash rules. He didnt hijack your domain, as it wasnt yours to begin with, he just acted faster than you, and his methods, you may claim to be deceptive, are commonly used in business everyday everywhere. This bitterness is ugly, get a new domain..

[Lunks]

bugmenotaasdf, on Nov 17 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

We will treat everyone with respect. We will not stoop down to the level of attempting to deface, vandalize, leave bad comments, insult, etc. that other sites/forums do to Haklab.
Haklab has an opinion and he has a right to voice it. I will fight for the right for him to voice his opinion just as hard as I will fight to voice mine.

The methods he may have used to attract attention recently may not have been the most ethical or wise, but he did succeed in his goal and he has your attention.
He wants to make a point. Let him. We made our point to Apple with Appulous (that apps need a trial period).

I (obviously) don't support his "domain hijacking" or "legal domain transfer" (by his account). I think he could have made his point in a better way.

I truly believe ban is a punishment on our little world that is our forums/IRC channel. People have to be punished if they don't respect the community. Stealing our domain in a legal way is hurting the community.

As you said, unfortunately he brought my attention one more time. Letting him post here might be a good way of bringing some more attention to his 'cause' or 'opinion'.

And I agree with your point of view: You can't just ban someone if he's just saying "I don't like what you're doing".

But he is tremendously misleading, cannot be trusted and mainly, tries to take this site down, which *could* be respected if it weren't for his shady methods.

[razz931]

thank god that ur a fast thinker and bought another domain so that we can keep enjoying ur hard labor

[neoflex]

captncoala, on Nov 17 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

Hijacked? No. He used the one method that is accepted the world over, cash incentive. We live in a capitalist world where the cash rules. He didnt hijack your domain, as it wasnt yours to begin with, he just acted faster than you, and his methods, you may claim to be deceptive, are commonly used in business everyday everywhere. This bitterness is ugly, get a new domain..

yeah, "hijack" is the wrong word.

but, actually, it sounded like he used scare tactics, coercion, blackmail, and bribery to get the domain into his name. i'm pretty sure blackmail is illegal.

[malatata]

I see Holosloths point but, as nearly everyone is, am extremly pissed. The iPhone hacking community will never syop. Apple's SDK is useful but too limited to use efficiently. I'm sure that one of the biggest sites, once shut down, will spawn a lump of mirrors and imitators. Oh and btw, is it true Haklab once started as a cracking site, then got shunned, then got pissed and taking his anger out on greater beings that him?

[captncoala]

neoflex, on Nov 17 2008, 06:46 PM, said:

but, actually, it sounded like he used scare tactics, coercion, blackmail, and bribery to get the domain into his name. i'm pretty sure blackmail is illegal.

All of which are pretty common in the business world, though I dont think I've read "blackmail" or "bribery" anywhere here. Unfortunately, I do know what Kyek is going through to some extent, having lost two great domain names held for me by "friends" who sold out to a higher bidder, that is really all that has happened here, just that scare tactics were also used in conjunction with a cash incentive. Everyone should just move on, let the baby have his bottle. Appulous has a new domain, why should anyone care now?

[pong]

respect to kyek for his patience in this case (and sure enough for his great work). it would be probably a lot easier to ban h.. and to post just a short notice what happenend. i can understand developpers who are pissed because of cracked apps and i also understand the "other" side. but i can't understand childish actions like domain-bypass or whatever you want to call it (hijacking would be near perhaps) just to get attention.

[skatebman]

Haklab, on Nov 16 2008, 01:35 PM, said:

I just made a post clarifying that I did not steal the domain at http://www.appulo.us...nd-cracked.html. Please edit any posts here because I did not hijack the domain and make it clear because a lot of people are now thinking I stole it. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a war. I even linked to Kyek's new website. I only want a week and I will only make quality posts so we can have a quality discussion instead of a war or something. I will gladly give the domain back to Kyek after this one week and I'm even linking to his new website so the visitors know. My intention by buying Appulo.us was not to stop the cracked app scene, and you can all keep cracking for this one week. Appulo.us will be up on a different domain just for this week. Think of it like that. I will stop going after Appulo.us after this one week. Lets handle this maturely and not make a war.

You can still get your cracked apps, and all you have to do is read what I say. I won't force you to believe my opinions but I just want to get my points across.

-Mr. Haklab

let's see why won't you just give us your domain name for a week so we can play a little?

[InternetRebel]

I read through the entire thread and was wondering: Am I the only one who thinks that "Vibe" is the one and only REAL jurk here? After all, he registered a domain that didn't mean anything to him just because he knew/read that someone else wanted it. That's just as low as it gets. If any of you feels like releaving their frustrations onto anyone, it should be on this "Vibe"!

[Kyek]

It would appear that Haklab has reached a new low. Now when you go to appulo.us, you get a message saying "We have moved" with a link to his post that Appulous is down.

This is the guy that, just hours ago, tried to convince us that he wasn't trying to mislead anyone, and that he just wants to share his ideas with the cracking community.

Right.

[therealduckie]

I replied to his recent post "The solution to cracked apps". Here is my reply, since I doubt he will post it:

Dear David Zimmerman (a.k.a. haklab),

This is, by far, the most ill informed and unintelligent post I have seen to date. I cannot even begin to figure out where to start on how wrong you are on all your points, but I will do my best to nullify all your ignorant babble.

Before I tear into your flawed logic, you're already alienating people in your post from the very beginning. You use the word 'Excuse' frequently. It is obvious to the trained eye that you are using derogatory terminology to sway the reader. This means you are putting your own politics and biased opinion BEFORE the facts. It would have been perfectly appropriate to use terms like 'issue' or 'problem' or even 'complaint', but no...you had to interject the very first paragraph with your own opinion. So, from the start--your "Article" is biased, therefore I question both your motives and your content.

1. Really? Your solution to using an app is to read about it? That's the best you can do? Look, bub--No one wants to read about an app. They want hands-on experience with it. Get a feel for it, not read how Jack Fucktard on Gizmodo used it to stalk his girlfriend or what ever it is they do on similar crap sites masquerading as Tech News sites. They want a tactile experience. I have the same option on my PC, why not on my iPhone?

Besides, even if I DID trust those sites...it's a lot like Ice Cream. You may like Chocolate, but I prefer Vanilla. Why would I want to know your opinion on Ice Cream when you and I have different preferences and opinions on taste?

2. Once again, your solution is infantile and childish. "Ask them nicely"??? Seriously?

"Golly, Mr. Developer Man, would you please please please do this for me? I'd be ever so grateful."

As a developer on other platforms, I would laugh at this person. Do you not think I had the whole world in mind when I released my app? No one makes their apps regional. Apple does that. Leave the developers out of it. You're only going to fill their inboxes with garbage when the true focus here is Apple.

3. "that are about like" ... Nice use of the english language there. You've just shown that your age and intellect are sub-par. You want people to take you seriously, then try using correct phraseology. Unless, like of course, you about like talking like this about like omg like like like.

Why is it worth the $25? Good example - There are free VNC apps and free Remote Control apps on the app store. Why is Pro Tools charging HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for theirs? That, sir, is called a rip-off. I don't care how 'Pro' Pro Tools is, that app is NOT worth HUNDREDS OF FRIGGIN DOLLARS.

Again, I have been a developer for numerous apps on both Mac and PC. I know how much work goes into them. I'm usually not in it for the money. I usually start creating apps out of personal or user demand. I also charge appropriately for the app so that not just a target market can afford it. I don't see Capcom charging more than $10 for their games and you know damn well that they are putting MORE work into theirs than Pro Tools or similar companies did because algorithms and such are much harder than just an interface to change a sound level on a virtual sound board.

No app on the store should be more than $10. Period. There's no other reason for that than greed. And you know what? Greed always leads to people finding another way to deal with that company.

Consider this--I didn't buy my iPhone from Apple or AT&T. I got it on Craigslist for $100. Does this make me a thief? Have I cheated Apple out of money? No, I found another way to get the product I wanted without the capitalist infrastructure getting in the way...much like those who crack apps do.


Finally, get off your high horse. A recent study linked on Digg.com PROVED WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT that most iPhone users are NOT rich and do NOT have tons of money laying around. Your asinine assumption that because someone owns an Phone that they can afford an app is ridiculous.

You need to take a good long look at your actions. You're not helping the cracking community go away. You're making them stronger. People will fight. It's their nature. When you take something away, it enrages them and they get organized and fight back. The more effort you put into this stupid little war that you created (AND IT IS DEFINITELY A WAR, NOW--nice going genius) the more they will fight back and get stronger. You challenging them will lead to more splinter groups and make it even MORE difficult for everyone involved...especially the developers you CLAIM to want to help.

Get off your high horse, little boy.

Sincerely,

therealduckie

[bs11]

dear kyek,
i just wanted you to know how many people understand what your going though with youre stolen domain... and i wanted to tell you that your doing a great job for the h. community..
keep up the hard work,, it pays off in the end


bs11

[Ryan]

Next time only register it with people you can trust that won't get bribed with money, or blackmail..OR lies.

And it's kinda stupid the "We've Moved" message..Kyek, didn't you put some lock on it?

[razz931]

i just saw haklab's official statement saying that he bought the domain name from you guys. that was clearly a bag of BS and the people who fall for that are completely ignorant.

and that he wants to stop cracked apps from spreading. but then, why is he's domain name HAKlab. i dont think that makes much sense

he just wants to be the only one with the cracked app websites

what a baby, he doesnt even know ho to share

[InternetRebel]

razz931, on Nov 18 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

...and the people who fall for that are completely ignorant.

Well, I wouldn't want to call the "less-tech-minded" people ignorant, but it IS pretty obvious this is a smelly story. Me myself was wondering why my RSS feed stopped functioning, went to appulo.us, read the message, thought to myself "this can't be right", searched Google and ended up on appulous.us withing 5 minutes. Unfortunately not everyone is as suspicious as me and many will just believe whatever story or site they hit first on the Internet without "investigating" any further. Therefore I think people should "spread the word" as much as possible to prevent others from giving up on the site they all know and cannot find anymore.

razz931, on Nov 18 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

...why is he's domain name HAKlab. i dont think that makes much sense

I think the only reason is to draw some extra visitors who make typos when they want to visit haklabS.com and don't know or remember the exact URL. I think that's how I ended up there once too... don't really remember... don't really care either. ;-)

In the end, this whole story is just a minor obstacle, he will never be able to make any REAL impact in stopping cracked app sites. In fact, using his "stories" I found many other good sources that he claimed were shut down or about to be shut down but were still there in the end.

See of haklab as a nice resource to find other places to go. :-)

There are thousands, probably even millions of people visiting and appreciating sites like appulous.us and just a handful or people wanting to shut them down. It is obvious there is a "need" for sites like that, so in the question of who is "right" or who is "wrong" I think the answer is pretty clear. How can something that so many people want, use and support be "wrong".

This post has been edited by InternetRebel: 18 November 2008 - 08:12 PM

[razz931]

genius analysis

[Akaraah]

That's pretty screwed up what this Vibe person is doing. Buying a domain, yours, without permission, excuse after excuse, and says to expect it back in a week! And how can you truly trust him? He's said things many times before sounds like it, but his intent was different from his actions.... Just a weeks worth of time is enough for him to do something coniving. Applying to what you said, you knowing him... He, knowing how good Appulous was doing. It just sounds like there's a stretch to this whole "technical borrowing your domain" thing... I would tell you guys to keep an eye out for him but I feel from the intent,expression, and attitude in your post, voices me you guys are doing that already... You all seem like good people at hackulo and I hope you emerge unharmed from tthe fire.

[Haklab]

Instead of keeping the domain for this full week I've transferred the domain back to Kyek free of charge and Appulo.us should be working at the normal URL within 24 hours.

I admit it, whatever I did was wrong and not right. My purpose: To prevent the spread of cracked apps, was ridiculous. Piracy can never stop. It is only up to the developers to learn how to protect their apps or make it "uncrackable" and Apple to make the system more secure. Crackers will always find a way to get whatever they want. What I was doing wouldn't make a difference and instead it would make the cracking community mad. I kept telling myself that I'm fighting for something right so it doesn't matter if I keep reporting every website, but Kyek and the others have put a lot of work into their website and no matter whatever cause I was shutting their website down for I did the wrong thing. And I'm sorry for it. No one will forgive me for this because I've already done too much wrong, and I don't expect anyone to either. But I can promise that I will no longer be doing this type of thing again. It is crazy and useless and just makes people mad. What did I gain from doing this? Nothing. Did I have any effect? Nope, just made people mad and ruined their hard work.

Well, read more about my post here:
http://www.appulo.us...-of-haklab.html

[Skleoni]

Ok guys. Who hacked haklabs forum account? If this is real then I say thank you for seeing the light and a little good riddance on the side. Rise APPULO.US!! RISE!!

[3rror404]

Haklab, on Nov 19 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

Instead of keeping the domain for this full week I've transferred the domain back to Kyek free of charge and Appulo.us should be working at the normal URL within 24 hours.

I admit it, whatever I did was wrong and not right. My purpose: To prevent the spread of cracked apps, was ridiculous. Piracy can never stop. It is only up to the developers to learn how to protect their apps or make it "uncrackable" and Apple to make the system more secure. Crackers will always find a way to get whatever they want. What I was doing wouldn't make a difference and instead it would make the cracking community mad. I kept telling myself that I'm fighting for something right so it doesn't matter if I keep reporting every website, but Kyek and the others have put a lot of work into their website and no matter whatever cause I was shutting their website down for I did the wrong thing. And I'm sorry for it. No one will forgive me for this because I've already done too much wrong, and I don't expect anyone to either. But I can promise that I will no longer be doing this type of thing again. It is crazy and useless and just makes people mad. What did I gain from doing this? Nothing. Did I have any effect? Nope, just made people mad and ruined their hard work.

Well, read more about my post here:
http://www.appulo.us...-of-haklab.html

Ermmmm, schizophrenia much?